It is pretty amazing… i still remember the times when “the state” has debt of 10.000 Deutschmark per Capita… and i thought “What the f****? What did they do with that money? And why should i pay for debt that others created for me?”

There is a “pakt” between “private” (?) completely undemocratic Banks like FED and ECB and the state their currency “belongs to” or “controls” – in order to avoid inflation (because private “experts” are believed to be better at that) – the money-creation monopoly was to 90% shifted to private institutions – but they need to guarantee that the state financially never fails.

The ECB and FED seem to have forgotten about their part of the deal.

State deficit explodes – despite almost 0% interest. Isn’t that a contradiction?

So why is the debt there?

If you could take a new loan to pay all the old loans… with an almost 0% interest?

Money should be there to allow people’s dreams to be realized.

Of course the “dream” should somehow make sense and allow people to live a healthier, more sustainable and self-sufficient life – but actually banks do not like to fund such projects.

It should be a responsible – ecological – socially just dream that you want to realize not like “i want to buy 100000000x donuts” – and then what? Ship them to Africa? That would be actually interesting 😀

The “elite” only cares about their own dreams of more and more power – (everybodys nightmare by the way) of complete rule of the planet – world-domination and world-exploitation and world-enslavement – without any limits – regardless the social and environmental costs.

“It was created on December 23, 1913, with the enactment of the Federal Reserve Act in response to a series of financial panics (particularly the panic of 1907) that showed the need for central control of the monetary system if crises are to be avoided.[list 1] Over the years, events such as the Great Depression in the 1930s and the Great Recession during the 2000s led to the expansion of the roles and responsibilities of the Federal Reserve System.[4][9][10]”

“The data also suggest that many of the rescue efforts organized by J.P. Morgan may have been motivated by self-interest.”

Source: Harvard: Financial-Crisis-1907-Federal-Reserve-Act-JP-Morgan-Carola-Paper.pdf

List of countries by external debt
Rank Country/Region External debt[2]
US dollars
Date Per capita[3][4][5][6]
US dollars
% of GDP[7][8][9]
1  United States 19,643,000,000,000 31 March 2016[10] 60,340 114
2  United Kingdom 9,591,672,000,000 31 March 2014 146,244 569
3  France 5,750,152,000,000 31 March 2014 86,317 222
4  Germany 5,546,869,000,000 31 March 2014 68,720 145
5  Luxembourg[note 1] 3,472,282,000,000 31 March 2014 3,696,467 3,443
6  Japan 2,861,488,000,000 31 March 2014 24,000 60
7  Italy 2,651,413,000,000 31 March 2014 est. 43,621 124
8  Netherlands 2,526,895,000,000 31 March 2014 226,503 316
9  Spain 2,305,648,000,000 31 March 2014 52,045 167
10  Singapore 1,766,401,000,000 13 November 2015[11] 226,930 408
11  China 1,680,000,000,000 30 June 2015[12] 1,195 16.2
12   Switzerland 1,610,897,000,000 31 March 2014 193,939 229
13  Canada 1,491,000,000,000 4 May 2016 est. 37,165 92
14  Australia 1,395,638,000,000 31 March 2014 est. 52,596 95
15  Belgium 1,286,918,000,000 31 March 2014 113,603 266
16  Hong Kong 1,231,233,000,000 31 March 2014 est. 105,420 334
17  Sweden 145,154,804,082[13] 30 September 2016 145,585 34
18  Austria 820,010,000,000 31 March 2014 90,128 200
19  Norway 61,455,264 30 June 2016 12 0.02
20  Russian Federation 599,819,000,000 31 March 2014 3,634 23
21  Denmark 593,221,000,000 31 March 2014 101,084 180
22  Portugal 548,800,000,000 30 June 2011 47,835 223
23  India 485,600,000,000 2 July 2016 [14] 46 6
24  Brazil 428,300,000,000 31 December 2012 est. 1,608 15
25  South Korea 425,353,000,000 31 March 2014 est. 7,567 37
26  Turkey 405,223,000,000 2015 5,216 55 [15]
27  Greece 360,000,000,000 30 June 2015 47,636 174[16]
28  Mexico 352,900,000,000 31 December 2012 est. 1,956 20
29  Indonesia 324,203,000,000 31 July 2016 est. [17] 1,250 36.77
30  Ireland 263,967,288,631[18] 30 September 2014 52,227 103
31  Malaysia 230,870,491,803 15 March 2015[19] 7,829.11 63.7
32  Poland 211,457,000,000 May 2015 5,286 39.9
33  Hungary 202,000,000,000 31 December 2012 est. 14,821 115


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Professor of Sorbonne University (Paris)

Perspectives on Money

“I had been accidentally – part of situations (professional jobs) that usually are mutually exclusive – i had been a central banker – i had been involved in the design of the Euro – i had been an off-shore currency fund manager – i had been an academic and i had been president of an electronic payment system – i have been working with the largest multi-nationals on this planet – and i have been working with some of the poorest countries of this planet.

Every one of this angles has every time given me a way of looking at money – in a way that was not visible from the other angles.”


“Humanity faces an extraordinary series of unprecedented challenges:

  • Climate-Change
  • Aging of Society
  • Monetary Instabilities under the current system
  • Structural Unemployment – because the technologies we have today – can have economic growth without jobs

Money as a solution

“The conventional money is incompatible with sustainability”

“It has a number of implicit automatic programs that are incompatible with that.”

  • Short-Term-Thinking
  • The way money is created – it is pro-cyclical – it increases the business-cycle
  • it brings all the users in competition with each others. Which is not the best way to operate in certain environments.
  • Competition is good – but having ONLY competition is not good, British General Sir Nicholas Carter says we are in an: “Era of constant competition”

  • is this the Orwellian plan of constant warfare? (just to keep poor people busy from revolting against the filthy rich?)

Learning from Nature

“Nature does NOT look for MAXIMUM EFFICIENCY.”

It looks for a balance on efficiency on one side and resilience on the other.

If the balance is not correct – if you only go for efficiency – you gonna have a very fragile system.

If you have a over-emphasis on resilience you have stagnation.

Conventional money is extremely efficient.

Money and Sustainability

“The challenges i have mentioned – i claim non of them can be addressed within the current monetary paradigm. (i.e. with a single currency created through bank-debt with interest – none of that is feasable)

With complementary currencies one can address every single one of them.

Money is the most important/powerful leverage point – because it changes the motivation system.

We need to rethink the motivation system that makes it possible to address those challenges.

Complementary Currencies Influencing Behavior

“A complementary currency is a medium of exchange other than conventional money – that people use – within a particular community.

The oldest complementary currency – what i call loyalty currency – the frequent flyer miles – provided motivation to change behavior to use the same airline or return to the same shop.

Those commercial currencies are usefull for the airline or shops but they won’t do anything for society.

Using this technology which is established – 40 years is enough time – a technology that comes from the information age – but apply them for things that do make a difference.

Changing behavior towards the environment, changing behavior to people – motivating people to do things that they won’t do spontaneously – and there is a long list of things that this could apply to.

We need to change behavior on a very large scale rather quickly.

The alternative is regulation or force – prohibiting people to do things – with a currency you can make it attractive – it’s a pull as opposed to a push – and that is a lot more powerful and way more effective.

The big advantage of complementary currencies is you choose your objectives – and you can design a currency that specifically motivates and changes behavior in the direction you are trying to motivate.

If you want to motivate people around the world – to have a complementary currency that specifically aims these behavior patterns and is exportable anywhere in the world – and you can actually bring everybody on board.”


“There are more people on the planet having mobile phones than bank accounts.

And the costs of these things 20-30 bucks you have a system that can take part into a global payment system if you want to.”

(Chinese use SmartPhones a lot for payments)

“With the information-age we can now design much cheaper and much more universal payment systems that can have multiple currencies than we could have ever done before.

And that is why i claim that it is possible today to do things with complementary currencies on a scale that has never been available before.

That is fortunate – because we need it on a scale that was never be the same as in the past as well.

My drop in the ocean is an interesting pioneer model.

I want to encourage experimentation – improvements – diversity and my drop in the ocean is part of that.

And it is part of it in a specific field where there is not a hell of lot of things happening otherwise.

We also need to actually start doing work on the main-stream economy with businesses and the relationship with the businesses and citizens/consumers and that is what my drop in the ocean is tackling.”

Visions for the Future

“Leverage of changing the money system is making it possible not only to address the challenges – but actually create a world that i describe as ‘sustainable abundance’.

There is no reason that there should be scarcity in everything.

We can create a planet of sustainable abundance even for 10 billion people i claim.

At the condition – the necessary condition of rethinking our money.

It is not a sufficient condition – i am not claiming it is enough to change the money system and everything else will fall into place.

We still need education – we still need regulation you still need other things.

But i claim it is a necessary condition –

without touching the money system i claim we have no chance – of in a period of 10-15-20 years to have a planet we want to live on.”

Will the managers, the CEOs, the Banksters, the Bushs, the Rockefellers, the Junkers, the Clintons, the Merkels, the Scheubles, the JPMorgans, the Barclays, the Deutsche Bank, the Wall-Street listen? Or will they shut their ears – and do “business as usual” knowingly they can not continue forever. “Ignorance is DEATH not bliss.”



From this Video:

Interview with Bernard Lietaer – Economist, author and professor

Published on Jul 2, 2013

This interview is part of an article published in the online magazine Talkin’Business of the School of Business and Economics at Maastricht University.
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Multiple moneys and development: making payments in diverse economies

2nd International Conference on Complementary Currency Systems (CCS), International Institute of Social Studies (ISS) of the Erasmus University, The Hague, The Netherlands.

Title: Interview with Bernard Lietaer – Economist, author and professor
Recording date: 20th June 2013

The 2nd International Conference on Complementary Currency Systems is held from the 19th to the 23rd of June 2013 in The Hague, The Netherlands. The conference is hosted by ISS. It offers space to academics, local government officials and practitioners alike to organize panels, workshops, and other session formats that participants see fit to stimulate the exchange of ideas and experiences.

Community and complementary currency systems include initiatives like the LETS, time banks, the Argentine Redes de Trueque, the Ithaca Hours in the USA, the German Regiogeld, the Brasilian community banks with surrogate currencies, the SOL currency in France, the ‘Transition Towns’ in the UK, the RES in Belgium and the Wir in Switzerland, mobile-phone payment systems in Uganda and Kenya, and for digital remittances in El Salvador.



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